And, Leave, Outside

[JoJo]

I have yet another question. (I appreciate anyone who is kind enough to be patient with all my questions, so thanks in advance!)

I was looking up the sign for AND, just to be sure I knew it, and I saw it was similar to the sign for LEAVE, but LEAVE is more off to the dominant side. Then I realized that the sign for LEAVE is similar to the sign that Rachel used for "outside" in the song where she sings, "READY, GO. BEAUTIFUL DAY, BEAUTIFUL DAY PLAY. "

Is the next line translated "READY GO, BEAUTIFUL DAY, LEAVE-LEAVE PLAY" or is it "READY GO, BEAUTIFUL DAY, OUTSIDE PLAY"

I'm hoping somebody will say that LEAVE one time is leave, and twice is LEAVE to GO OUTSIDE.

Either that or I have completely missed a location, handshape, nonmanual marker, or something (a mistake I make a lot!)

Thanks!
jojo

[aligreat]

I would say that LEAVE and OUT are both done going upwards diagonally and away towards the dominant side. I usually think of outside as being signed OUT-OUT. If you think about it the English words leave and out are similar in meaning. "Leave!" and "Get out!" mean the same thing. You can say "I'm leaving" or "I'm out of here."

AND has a similar handshape and so forth, but it moves more parallel to the ground

[jenml]

I was looking up the sign for AND, just to be sure I knew it, and I saw it was similar to the sign for LEAVE, but LEAVE is more off to the dominant side. Then I realized that the sign for LEAVE is similar to the sign that Rachel used for "outside" in the song where she sings, "READY, GO. BEAUTIFUL DAY, BEAUTIFUL DAY PLAY. "



AND is done from left to right (ending up in a "flattened O" handshape)... very horizontally. AND is not used very much in true ASL (much like VERY), but it is used.... actually, my son LOVES using it as a way to "keep the floor" while he's talking... he does a big dramatic AnnnnnnnnND.... (haha)

LEAVE, as in to leave a room, can be one or two handed (hard to explain, so I hope that info is helpful). LEAVE ends up not in a flattened O, but rather in almost an "A" handshape with a drifting thumb (so, not a true "A")... sooo hard to explain, especailly when I'm tired, so I hope this makes sense. LEAVE is also more of an upward movement, like you mentioned.

OUTSIDE is usually done twice (and OUT, like the light went out, is done once)... it is pretty much the same movement as AND, I suppose, but it does end up in the flattened O handshape.

HTH.... I'm tired, so I'll proof this later! ;)

[Bill]

Jenml,

u tired but awesome :D

Would you like to go out and eat dinner at restaurant?


go out open 5 handshape near your face and it drifts into a closed a handshape :cool:

right jenml ?

[jenml]

Would you like to go out and eat dinner at restaurant?


ummmmm... no thanks... I live in CT... far!
And, I'm married....


Where have I been? We lost power due to the Hurricane/Tropical Storm/whatever Ernesto who arrived in CT and robbed us of our power for a day.
What's a day without power except a minor drag?
Not too much damage for us here, but I have seen LOTS of damage all around us (mainly trees and heavy branches falling onto everything and anything... fences, cars, houses...).

[Bill]

So sorry. Glad you are back with ST and family safe :o

[amiller]

Also, the sign for LEAVE is also the sign for GONE, right? Except that it only means GONE when referring to a person - if an object is gone, it is a totally different sign, like the one for LOST or DROP OUT, right? This is a hot button of confusion for me!

[JoJo]

Thanks, jen, I totally missed the sort-of-a for LEAVE. I will look at that and study some more.

Anita, I can't wait to see what posts are made for your questions about "gone" and "leave." I didn't know any of that at all, so I am going to learn more interesting signs soon!

Thanks, everyone!
jojo